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Thursday, August 9, 2012

The travesty of daf yomi and the siyum hashas.

HH.

BH, G-d chose Israel, and Israel chose, well they were supposed to choose G-d, but along came the charlatan rabbis and opted for the Talmud. Don't get me wrong, the Talmud is definitely holy, but it isn't exactly the way to reaching G-d, especially for the vast majority of Jews out there who aren't at all skilled in its ways. The charlatan rabbis built up for themselves a pedestal where they have fortifies their positions in the community, making studying the talmud the measuring stick of achievement, they are guaranteed the security of their authority. Anyone with the slightest sense and honesty can understand and appreciate that for the common man the Talmud has almost no bearing. Even the Rambam who was inclined to philosophy H"Y writes in the introduction to his magnum opus, Yad Hachazaka - Mishna Torah, that the Talmud is really only for very special scholars, and the rest of the nation only needs to know the basic laws, and for this purpose the Rambam compiled his work. The true tzadikim like the Arizal and the Ramchal write explicitly that only if someone is extremely smart and holy should he undertake learning the Gemara, and even such a person should not study it for more than 2 hours a day, someone who is not so smart should not study it at all. Studying the Torah should be for the purpose of revealing G-d in the world and in one's heart and soul, therefore the parts of the Torah which discuss G-d, the parts of the Torah that directly teach how to improve one's self and the world, those are the parts that should be studied. So it is a terrible tragedy that the charlatan rabbis have managed to mislead so many Jews away from H"Y, and have made false goals and ambitions for them. Instead of a Jew yearning to find G-d in a deeper and more meaningful way, to actively seek out good deeds and acts of kindness and charity, - to reach out to the millions of Jews that are assimilating and who definitely have no common ground with the study of the Talmud, and to abnegate themselves to the True Tzadik, the charlatan rabbis have them pridefully caught up proving how intellectual they are, H"Y.

15 comments:

Kalman Caspa said...

I hear what you're saying. My only questions are, though:

1. What does Rabbainu say about learning Talmud for his followers?

2. What does Saba say about learning Talmud for Breslovers. I have found positive statements and encouraging statements from Saba about learning Talmud in Sichos Metoch Chayei HaSaba.

Kalman Caspa said...

It's good to know what the Ramban, the Arizal and the Ramban said about learning gemara, but the ikkar (the main thing) is what Rabbi Nachman said about it. And what did Saba say about it. This is what I'd like to know, not so much what these other tzaddikim said.

Being that I am not so learned in the teaching of Rabbi Nachman, could you please tell us that his opinion was on this issue?

Kalman Caspa said...

Sorry, I meant the Rambam, Arizal and Ramchal.

Anonymous said...

From Sichos HaRan:

"Accustom yourself to learn quickly, without too much attention to detail. You will then be worthy of learning in quantity. You will be able to complete the Talmud, the Codes, the Bible, the Midrash, the mystical books of the Zohar, the Kaballah, and all the other sacred works.

"You should study enough each day so that at the end of the year you will have completed the entire Talmud with the Rif and Rosh, the four large Shulchan Aruchs, all the Midrashim, all the books of the Zohar, Tikuney Zohar and Zohar Chadash, and all the Kabalistic writings of the Ari ..."

As far as priority goes:

"The Rebbe constantly stressed for us the importance of studying the codes of religious law. He emphasized this more than any other study.

"It is best to study all four sections of the Shulchan Aruch in order, from beginning to end. If you can also study the commentaries, all the better. But you should at least cover the main work"

Kalman Caspa said...

Thank you! It sounds like Rabbainu might have liked Daf Yomi. He may not have liked the big siyum hashas, but he might have liked Daf Yomi.

Moshe K Nanach said...

Rabbeinu would have liked sheva daf yomi, and shemonei on shabbos.
He was clear; complete all of shas every year.

NaaNaach said...

Likutay Nanach has a whole section devoted to this. The quote brought down from Sichos Haran is a little off, because there Rabbainu is saying what a person should desire to do, but if a person is only going to be learning for an hour a day, obviously he should be using that time for Rabbainu.
Anyways look it up in Likutay Nanach.

Kalman Caspa said...

Naanaach,

But why bring proofs for your views from Rambam, Arizal, Ramchal. Shouldn't you be brining proof from Rabbainu or from Saba? I don't understand.

Anonymous said...

R' Simcha, chaver sheli; if a person is learning one hour a day they certainly should spend it learning rabeinu. Once they internalize the derech and chizik of R'nnnNachman they can begin following the instructions of Rabeinu, including his seder limud. If a person attempts to follow the ways of the TYO without attachment there is no shaleimus.

Moshe Kalonymys said...

R' Simcha, chaver sheli; if a person is learning one hour a day they certainly should spend it learning rabeinu. Once they internalize the derech and chizik of R'nnnNachman they can begin following the instructions of Rabeinu, including his seder limud. If a person attempts to follow the ways of the TYO without attachment there is no shaleimus.

Anonymous said...

R' Kalman; where is the question? Dedication to Rabeinu and Saba does not eliminate all other Torah references.

Kalman Caspa said...

I agree that it doesn't eliminate all other Torah references. I was just wondering why there was no mention of Rabbainu's and Saba's opinions to go along with the other references.

Kalman Caspa said...
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Kalman Caspa said...

Some quotes of Saba on learning Shas:

http://www.nanachtalk.com/2012/07/some-quotes-from-saba-on-mitzvah-of.html#comment-form

shimonmatisyahu said...

In all fairness, regardless of how the rabbis deal with Gemoro and Daf Yomi today, the one who instituted Daf Yomi - Rabbi Meir Shapiro ZTVK"L, even as a Chortkover Chosid, had great respect for Breslov. When he was young, even as his father did not want him to learn Breslov Chasidus, the young Meir used to learn it under the bed covers. Also, the annual Kibbutz of Breslovers on Rosh Hashana took place in Rabbi Shapiro's Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin.